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Beyond the Pale

Okay, this is ridiculous. The private voter registration firm hired by the GOP to work the swing states has been trashing non-GOP registrations in Nevada. The extent of the damage is not know, but they estimate that thousands of people who think they are registered will not be eligible to vote in Reno alone. And since this same group is operating in at least 3 other states that I know of, who knows how many people will be turned away at the polls?

Ignoring the fact that this violates at least two Nevada statutes and at least one federal election law, can anyone here offer any justification for election fraud, breach of public trust, and just plain sleaziness like this?

How can anyone who intentionally defrauds people of their right to vote consider themselves a true American? I'm not talking about incompetence, or accidental mistakes here: I'm talking about taking it upon yourself to decide who gets to vote and who doesn't.

Could you work for a party like that? Could you vote for a party like that? I don't know that I could.

Kudos at least to the two whistle-blower employees who turned these bastards in, with evidence. But I am really wondering how much longer we will be able to call ourselves a "democracy" if we allow shit like this to go unanswered. And I don't mean just by criminal prosecution--there is some group of people in our culture who think this kind of thing is OK, that it's "the right thing to do" even, if it makes your side win. But where will they stop?

If destroying voter registration cards is OK, what about changing people's voter registration cards (as has apparently happened in Leon County, Florida)?

If changing the registration cards is OK, why don't we jam the "get a ride to the polls" phone lines of the opposing party so voters calling for a ride can't get through?

And if that's OK, then why don't we just have groups of protestors near the polls in distircts that tend to vote against our candidates? We could even make sure they were loud and armed so people would be really intimidated?

Or maybe we could just pass a law saying that members of other parties are not allowed to vote? And then we could shoot them if they try to show up at the polls?

Where the heck do you draw that line? I mean, anything's OK as long as our side wins, right?
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This issue is not limited to the Republicans. I've read several articles pointing to Democratic officials doing the same things nationwide. The thing that I find most interesting about all of this is that both of these entities and our media are making a very simple process look very complicated. Instead of trying to stir up fear in the masses, it would be nice to just vote and see the outcome. It shows how weak both the candidates are in that they have both been relying on smear, distortion, and flat out fraud to try and secure victory. My question is, is all this really necessary? If one watches the news, you'd think that the fate of mankind depends on this election and it really doesn't. No matter which one of these boneheads gets elected, not much will change. People who believe otherwise are either naive, uneducated, or just stupid. The nice thing about living in this country, as opposed to a banana republic, is that there are checks and balances to make sure one crazy president can't get away with whatever he wants.

Fear not, Democrats, Bush will not be able to eliminate your abortions and force you to go to church. (I never understood where that notion came from. Oh well.)

Likewise, Republicans, Kerry will not be able to turn this country into a socialist nation.

If there is anything I've learned this year, it's that paranoia is a bitch and LJ users are the most politically simpleminded people in the country.

(Note: I'm one of the few vocal people in this community voting for Bush.)
(trying this again as it would not go last night)

The nice thing about living in this country, as opposed to a banana republic, is that there are checks and balances to make sure one crazy president can't get away with whatever he wants.

Hmm, I'm not sure if I agree with this one. While it is supposed to work that way in theory, recent history has shown that a crazy president can get away with whatever he wants. Checks and balances work when there are people actually doing checking and trying to balance things. but when we have a Republican president, Republican majority Senate and House, and a Supreme Court full of Republican appointed justices... well, then we get the last four years. Add to that national panic after a big terroist attack, wars constantly going on, and all the while corporations, special interests, and rich white people widdling away at everything they can.

This election is important, I think. I think there will be a difference between what would happen if Bush got 4 more years or if Kerry won. the main thing being that Bush will begin his second term not having to worry about being re-elected, and just go on a tear. Just do more of whatever he wants and not caring about the consequences. because if the Senate and House continue to be Republican-led, then he'll never, ever be impeached. What's to stop him from just turning this country into hell?

Kerry may be cut from the same cloth as Bush, but he at least will have to TRY to appease the unwashed masses because he's a Democrat. And it's his first term, he wants to be re-elected, he's not going to go pissing off the people who 'believe' in him.

Sadly, i don't think Kerry is necessarily a better man than Bush, I just think he won't fuck us over quite so blatantly.
Every other instance of voter registration irregularites I've seen so far(from both Republicans and Democrats) has seemed to be either honest errors or problems caused by isolated employees who were investigated and disciplined. This particular instance is different.

This was a premeditated act by two or more supervisors of this organization. When confronted by employees, they persisted. Other reports have this organization masquerading as a non-partisan voter registration group, too. This group--and it may just be this one--looks pretty dirty.

But why is no one saying anything about it? Why isn't Ed Gillespie on the news horrified and apologetic that someone they hired would do this? Why is this very basic subversion of democracy "no big deal"? I'm sorry. It is a big deal. And if the Democrats are found to be paying an organization to do a similar act, I will be all over their asses, too.

How many times have we complained that there is not enough public interest and participation in elections? Just from this angle alone, trashing people's voter registration is unforgivable. When these people, who many never have voted before, show up and find out they've been taken, what do you think the odds are that they will ever try to vote again?

If one watches the news, you'd think that the fate of mankind depends on this election and it really doesn't. No matter which one of these boneheads gets elected, not much will change. People who believe otherwise are either naive, uneducated, or just stupid. The nice thing about living in this country, as opposed to a banana republic, is that there are checks and balances to make sure one crazy president can't get away with whatever he wants.

How's this for the checks and balances? The speaker of the House of Representatives added verbage to the 9-11 intelligence reform bill to legalize torture:

Section 3032 and 3033 of H.R. 10, the "9/11 Recommendations Implementation Act of 2004," introduced by House Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-IL) would require the Secretary of Homeland Security to issue new regulations to exclude from the protection of the U.N. Convention Against Torture and Other Forms of Cruel, Inhuman, or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, any suspected terrorist...

and

[This provision] would bar the courts from having jurisdiction to review the Secretary's regulations, and would free the Secretary to deport or remove terrorist suspects to any country in the world at will - even countries other than the person's home country or the country in which they were born. The provision would also apply retroactively.

Oh, cool! We can torture anyone we want. We can send anyone we want to any country we want to be tortured (this is called extraordinary rendition), and the courts can't say anything about it. And we probably have been doing this already because we are applying this retroactively.

So you'll pardon me, but until the DoJ and and DoD actually comply with the Supreme Court orders and give the detainees in Guantanimo trials, I'll continue to be a wee bit paranoid and continue to act as if this election matters a lot.

Fear not, Democrats, Bush will not be able to eliminate your abortions and force you to go to church. (I never understood where that notion came from. Oh well.)

Well, I got those "silly" kinds of notions from the Texas Republican Party platform. But that's what I get for living in Texas, I guess.
Bah. That's all I can really say. Bah.